I know we dont politics here.

"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock) 06/24/2016 at 06:04 • Filed to: None

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But fuck this EU referendum decision. Our currency plummeted, industries will be hit and now I need a visa to go on a weekend holiday to france which is in driving distance. And worst of all, fucking Donald Trump supports it. We as a country have agreed with a giant slobbering orange with a shit wig.

Jobjoris > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 06:11

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At least you’ve got a team surviving the poules of the European Championship. But that’s it.

Flavien Vidal > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 06:14

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Well, the good thing for us is that Tata will probably end up creating Jaguar Europe, Land Rover Europe...etc, Nissan will most likely leave when the cars at the Sunderland factory will be going out of production, all that in order to save the cost of raw materials importation and car exportation. And where will they produce all this? In France, in Germany...etc. All your high end textile/clothing industry will have to either stop producing in Portugal or Spain, and they will either move to Morocco, lowering the quality or they will have to raise up their selling prices, either way it will be giving more room for other countries to compete with the Brits.

Ah and no more boose-runs in France lol. You guys will have to buy your own overpriced alcohol :)

So for Brits, yup, it sucks REALLY bad. But for Europe, even if it will suck badly for a few years, after a while and once the hit of Britain leaving goes away, it might be a good opportunity.

Ah... All that because of a few Syrian refugees... :)

xyzabc > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 06:15

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“Let our advance worrying become advance thinking and planning.”

- Winston Churchill

DutchieDC2R > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 06:19

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This is the first response, which is absolutely not shocking. I really do hope this works out for both parties (UK and the remainder of the EU, whatever will be left of it)

DipodomysDeserti > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 06:25

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Why will you need a visa to visit France for the weekend? I'm American and can stay in the EU for up to three months without a travel visa. But yeah, I can believe the Leave vote one. That's gonna suck.

MarqCars > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 06:27

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What a shitshow this has been. I leave America (escaping Trump), just to be caught up in Brexit!

Stapleface > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 06:28

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As an outsider, I don’t know too much about the workings and why they (England) decided to leave. I imagined they felt that the EU was bringing them down. But, there wasn’t always an EU, so maybe this isn’t THAT bad of a thing? England isn’t using the Euro, are they? To me, the never seemed to fully assimilate into the EU to begin with.

Again, take this with a grain of salt as an American who doesn't really know all that much that is going on.

Honeybunchesofgoats > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 06:38

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Don’t forget that your next PM will possibly be the illegitimate love child of Thatcher and Bertie Wooster.

Svend > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 06:40

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It will take at least a couple of years for details of how the separation will go ahead and even then it will take a few years for it to happen.

Ye’, I voted to remain. I knew it’d be close but hoped it would go the other way from what it did.

KirkyV > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 06:42

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I’m actually sick to my stomach with worry, and honestly, I don’t think it’s even sunk in for me properly yet. There’s a part of my brain that just straight-up refuses to believe this has happened, that we’ve actually voted ourselves directly into an economic crisis that’s going to make 2008 look tame. Oh, and then there’s this:

Thanks a fucking bunch, you aged tossers.

Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction > KirkyV 06/24/2016 at 06:48

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Wow, this detail makes it even more fucked up.

LongbowMkII > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 06:50

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And people thought the US electing Trump would destabilize the western economy. Surprise!

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 06:54

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Yup....the decision boggles my mind....I really feel for you folks who voted against leaving, because shit has hit the fan hard, your currency dropped like a ROCK yesterday, and that was just the tip of a very large, very shitty iceberg...

Klaus Schmoll > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 07:07

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Enjoy your beans!

But in all honesty, it sucks that the old farts ruined a future they will never see anyways with backwards thinking.

jkm7680 > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 07:12

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Yup, fuckin selfish decision.

I have a British passport, but I’m not sure if I’m going to hold onto that for much longer....

Clemsie McKenzie > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 07:12

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I feel so bad for you guys right now. And that might be the first time a French person ever said that!

Your old people screw you over. Maybe they just wanted to “send a message”, but I honestly cannot see any benefits of leaving the EU. The financial crisis this morning was bad enough that when I woke up, you guys already had lost as much money as it would have cost the UK to stay in the EU for 4 more years.

Good luck, chaps. I’ll miss going to London.

Chinny Raccoon > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 07:14

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Yep, what a mess. From my point of view it’s really going to cause issues, one of my main suppliers is in Italy, We use a Polish service for some specialist stuff and we ship all over Europe as a major market.

The notion that we’ll trade more with the commonwealth is complete bollocks, we already do that.For a lot of Micro and Small businesses like mine it’s the distance (Much higher shipping costs, and time to get there) and the customs rigmarole involved. Large companies can get around this, but it’s a major stumbling block for us.

Now the question is do I want to stick around here, or expand elsewhere, and will I be able to fund it?

Chuckles > KirkyV 06/24/2016 at 07:25

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This graphic is very telling, but I’d really like to see how many people in each age group actually voted. Do you think there was high voter turnout for people ages 18-24?

Tareim - V8 powered > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 07:31

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The currency plummeting is a natural reaction to a shock decision, it will recover, don’t focus on the immediate impact, look to the future, we will come back stronger

KirkyV > Chuckles 06/24/2016 at 07:31

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I don't think those statistics are available yet, sadly, but I'm pretty sure the turnout was relatively high for all age groups.

The Dummy Gummy > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 07:34

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Your fellow countryman is errrr dumb. Sorry friend.

facw > Stapleface 06/24/2016 at 07:49

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It’s a huge deal. The world is a very different place than pre-EU. The most important part of the EU is the single market trade zone. If the Brits lose access to that it will be devastating to them. Import tariffs will make their products uncompetitive, but worse their critical financial sector could be locked out, and London may lose its prominent position as the world’s financial capital.

Pro-Brexit people will tell you that none of that will happen, because Europe needs access to Britain’s markets, but pretty much every analysis says that if the UK wants access to the common market, they’ll have to accept free movement of people, which would undercut the anti-immigration agenda of the Brexiters.

facw > DipodomysDeserti 06/24/2016 at 07:58

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Because visa-free travel between the UK and France is currently based on the EU. It may also be covered under the Schengen Agreement. We don’t need to visas from the US because we have our own negotiated agreement with France.

I doubt a visa will be required, but it may be necessary for the travel between the UK and Europe to start doing passport checks again, otherwise I don’t know how the UK plans to keep out those immigrants who are the motivation for this whole farce.

450X_FTW > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 08:05

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We as a country have agreed with a giant slobbering orange with a shit wig.

perfect way to put him.

450X_FTW > KirkyV 06/24/2016 at 08:06

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Putting a column in that says “number of years to live with this decision” makes it sink in even more

jariten1781 > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 08:13

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All depends on what happens with the EU. If all the countries rally behind Brussels it shouldn’t be too bad. UK will have to negotiate a bit more and there will be a few extra onerous things, but I imagine you’ll end up in a similar condition to North America with relatively free travel and trade but more restrictions on work visas.

If, on the other hand, a whole bunch of countries decide to bail like rats off a sinking ship it’ll get dicey. There will likely be a series of alliances of various strengths and increased tensions across the board.

You're years out from the actual implementation. Pretty much any prognostication of specifics today will not reflect the end state. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 08:15

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So what are the advantages to leaving the EU? As far as I can tell the UK just completely fucked itself.

NeedForSwede > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 08:18

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Very sorry about all this. If you decide to jump ship and mass shootings and insane politicians don’t rub you the wrong way, America welcomes you.

Also, was this like a 49-51 decision or was there actually a strong majority?

Santiago of Escuderia Boricua > NeedForSwede 06/24/2016 at 08:24

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52-48

fintail > Flavien Vidal 06/24/2016 at 08:28

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At least until France and Netherlands try to leave.

Why should Brussels be able to demand refugee policy to begin with?

fintail > KirkyV 06/24/2016 at 08:30

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It’d be interesting to see what percentage of the population is made up of each age group, and how many actually voted. Stats are worth more with more stats. Don’t fret, Murka is sometimes muddled up by older voters too.

Maybe it’ll even out when France, Netherlands, et al try to escape.

marimvibe, new packaging, same great taste > Santiago of Escuderia Boricua 06/24/2016 at 08:41

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This is why you need 75% of states to agree to Constitutional amendments, effectively 60% of Senate to agree to any law with significance, 66% vote to override Presidential vetos, etc. in the U.S. People complain about lack of progress, but there’s something to be said for making sure there’s more than a nominal majority in order to make major decisions.

See also: why we have representative democracies rather than pure democracies.

Flavien Vidal > fintail 06/24/2016 at 08:46

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It does because of the Schengen zone. And “Bruxels” does not really exist so to speak. Bruxels only pushes the will of the majority of the EU countries. It’s not a dictatorship. Countries gather and laws/decisions are taken. It’s not in itself responsible for anything. But when the UK refuses to follow the majority and decisions taken by a group they chose to belong to. So Bruxels does take actions against that. Today it decided it was too much and left. It’s very much fine... But unfortunately for them the consequences might be huge and will most likely penalize the UK much, MUCH more than the EU itself.

marimvibe, new packaging, same great taste > Stapleface 06/24/2016 at 08:51

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Trade barriers are detrimental to the world economy as a whole, and when so much of Britain’s economy relies on trade with the Continent and vice versa, this is not good for anyone. It’s now going to be more expensive for Airbus to by the avionics for the A350 from Britain, and then more expensive again for British Airways to buy A350s from France. And then it just cascades to the rest of the world from their as both British and European economies collapse.

To twist a saying around, an ebbing tide runs aground all ships.

marimvibe, new packaging, same great taste > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 06/24/2016 at 08:54

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Independence from Brussels. Not having to hold up economies like Greece. To those that don't appreciate how entangled world markets are, it would seem like a good decision on the surface.

Cé hé sin > KirkyV 06/24/2016 at 08:55

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So if they could have held out against referendum calls for about five years it could have been a whole different outcome!

Aaron M - MasoFiST > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 06/24/2016 at 08:59

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The pound has finally taken itself out of the running as a reserve currency against the dollar, and New York City will be the undisputed capital of the western financial world.

Oh, for Brits? Ehhh...a fun war to fight when Ireland tries to take Northern Ireland again? Lots of new and potentially punitive import taxes to learn about?

KirkyV > Cé hé sin 06/24/2016 at 09:01

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Pretty much—Cameron’s gambit to save himself and the Conservative party from UKIP/internal divisions really didn’t pay off, and it’s the young who are gonna pay the most for it.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > KirkyV 06/24/2016 at 09:10

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Yeah its hit me hard. Unemployment is likely guna head upwards, our currency is fucked. What the fuck were they thinking. No one has even gave me a reason why we should leave other than vague racism.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Flavien Vidal 06/24/2016 at 09:11

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Yep im convinced racism is what swung this vote. Dag gum immigrants taking our jerbs. Morons.

Ash78, voting early and often > marimvibe, new packaging, same great taste 06/24/2016 at 09:11

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These laws have never been more clear to me until right now.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 06/24/2016 at 09:11

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None.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > NeedForSwede 06/24/2016 at 09:12

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It was irritatingly close.

Ash78, voting early and often > Klaus Schmoll 06/24/2016 at 09:12

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Man, I love that pic.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Stapleface 06/24/2016 at 09:13

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We rely on the EU for a lot more than some realise. It was a gut punch for many of us brits.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Clemsie McKenzie 06/24/2016 at 09:13

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There really are no benefits i dont think.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Honeybunchesofgoats 06/24/2016 at 09:13

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Were fucked...

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/24/2016 at 09:13

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Yup im gutted.

Ash78, voting early and often > jariten1781 06/24/2016 at 09:13

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Hey, there's no room on the Internet for tempered, practical opinions on economic policy implementation. Don't you know the world economy is about to implode?! Now I've gotta go watch some cat videos on YouTube.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > jariten1781 06/24/2016 at 09:14

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Its the uncertainty that hurts the most i think.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > DipodomysDeserti 06/24/2016 at 09:17

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Thats not a for sure thing but we will need to negotiate to avoid it.

Santiago of Escuderia Boricua > marimvibe, new packaging, same great taste 06/24/2016 at 09:17

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It’s not perfect, but it’s better than some of the alternatives

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Tareim - V8 powered 06/24/2016 at 09:17

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Im not sure about that at all.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Svend 06/24/2016 at 09:18

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I just hope we dont get boris as PM too for the time being...

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Chinny Raccoon 06/24/2016 at 09:19

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Its just so shitty that everythings so uncertain.

Honeybunchesofgoats > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 09:20

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It'll be fine. Boris will just repeal the Great Reform Act and make England great again.

KirkyV > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 09:21

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As it turns out, if you scapegoat immigration for literally every major issue facing the country for long enough, idiots will eventually start buying it.

It’s actually fucking hilarious: they think immigrants are ruining the economy - they’re not - so, in protest, they’ve utterly destroyed the economy. It’s great. Fuckin’ brilliant.

Oh, and then there’s this little lump of joy:

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

HAH HAH HAH WE’RE SO FUCKED HAH HAH

Flavien Vidal > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 09:28

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Sucks people like will pay for this man :(

fintail > Flavien Vidal 06/24/2016 at 09:41

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By Brussels, I mean the collection of ‘generation-of-68'-style activist politicos and others who have never existed in the real world and have accomplished very little, who want to impose their guilted will over all. In some ways it has become the EUSSR, a horrible mix of bureaucracy and groupthink. Many think they steal too much sovereignty, and should be restricted to commerce - nothing else.

The consequences will be huge for both sides, this could easily be a domino effect. It’s not like pains won’t be felt in France, or by those who escaped France.

NeedForSwede > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 09:45

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Jesus Christ now the Scots and Irish are staying with the EU? This is crazy

Svend > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 09:45

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I really can’t see Boris getting voted as leader of the conservative party and becoming Prime Minister. I think London had him as mayor for a laugh and also when looking at what the options were, he was the best of the evils.

To be honest I feel Cameron would of been the best to get the job done with the separation from the E.U. even though he like most if not all of us U.K. OPPOs voted to remain.

Under_Score > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 09:59

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Temporary financial issues > migrants that want to make England Englandistan.

I see I’m the minority here. Sorry.

jariten1781 > Ash78, voting early and often 06/24/2016 at 11:21

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I always chuckle when people complain about government gridlock in the US. That’s the point, yo.

One of my favorite quotes from the founders is in Hamilton’s Federalist #70:

“In the legislature, promptitude of decision is oftener an evil than a benefit. The differences of opinion, and the jarrings of parties in that department of government, though they may sometimes obstruct salutary plans, yet often promote deliberation and circumspection, and serve to check the excesses in the majority”

All throughout the founder’s writings they talk about how a government that is agile enough to respond to whims or fads places a nation in a more precarious state than one whose hallmark is stability and who only moves out of overwhelming necessity and even then with drawn out conscious deliberation.

Works for me.

Ash78, voting early and often > jariten1781 06/24/2016 at 11:38

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Well put. Just look at how state governments operate — yes, they tend to reflect the will of the electorate, but their policies are usually much wilder (to both extremes) than what you see at the Federal level...and much more quickly passed, too. At the Federal level, slower usually means better.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 11:41

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You realize all of this is just knee jerk reactions to the vote right? Currency and stocks always do this whenever a big decision is made. And its going to take a few years to work out leaving. It doesnt happen immediately.

Spridget > KirkyV 06/24/2016 at 11:45

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Don’t worry, over here in ‘Murica, we’re thinking the same thing about the old people who refuse to fix our fucked up political system.

Spridget > Honeybunchesofgoats 06/24/2016 at 11:48

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Or, as John Oliver described him, “a man with theh physical appearance and economic insight of Bam Bam from the Flintstones.”

jariten1781 > Ash78, voting early and often 06/24/2016 at 11:52

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Which is the whole ‘laboratories of democracy’ thing Justice Brandeis used to describe the 10th Amendment. Then, if the novel social or economic experiments prove successful they can be picked up by more and more states then codified via Congress due to sheer evidence of success; or even amended into the Constitution if it that pressing and shouldn’t be subject to future winds of change. And if they suck, only Oklahoma (pick a state) gets to deal with the consequences.

It’s a pretty cool system. I think I couldn't respect it any more, yet, every couple years I go down the rabbit hole of reading founding era writings or Supreme Court opinions and it astounds me that my respect grows.

DipodomysDeserti > facw 06/24/2016 at 12:38

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What will suck is traveling through Europe as an American if the EU dissolves more. It's very nice being able to freely go between countries.

facw > DipodomysDeserti 06/24/2016 at 12:41

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Definitely. Luckily, I don’t think the EU dissolving is likely. They’ll come down hard on Britain to make sure of that. It’s not impossible that the far right movement in France tries the same thing, but I think the British experience will lay bare why that’s a bad idea.

Tareim - V8 powered > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/24/2016 at 12:51

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look at the FTSE100, it dropped approx 500pts from the shock decision but then started gaining momentum and rose approx 350pts, it will go back up

DipodomysDeserti > facw 06/24/2016 at 12:52

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It would be a nightmare for any countries using the euro to leave. It would turn them into a 2nd world nation over night.

JRapp: now as good as new again > jariten1781 06/24/2016 at 14:40

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From the EU perspective, UK’s economy taking a hit after the withdrawal should only strengthen the union. Other nations should see that this is a bad idea from an economic perspective.

jariten1781 > JRapp: now as good as new again 06/24/2016 at 16:04

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True, if they tank for a year or two...sure. If, however, they come to a relatively rapid steady state (even if that’s below their pre exit state) you can bet the other successful to moderately successful nations will think of bailing the next time someone like Greece or Spain comes to Brussels hat in hand. It’ll probably take a few quarters before anyone can even guess at that with any certainty beyond pure speculation.

JRapp: now as good as new again > jariten1781 06/24/2016 at 16:47

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The only countries that would seriously consider leaving are the ones who contribute considerably more than they get to spend, money wise. That looks to be France, Germany, Italy and Netherlands now that the UK is out. There are smaller nations as well, but they don’t have as much political clout to matter as much. Germany is not going to pull out. France, Italy and Netherlands are the questionable ones it seems then, and there is apparently an increase in EU animosity in those regions. What complicates matters for them a bit though is that they’re all on the Euro. A crumbling EU and hence a sinking Euro though could mean disaster for the smaller nations that truly benefit from being in the EU.

Full disclosure: I’m an Estonian, though living in the US now.

jariten1781 > JRapp: now as good as new again 06/24/2016 at 17:09

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Yeah, I was chatting with a Brit expat today and he was pretty measured.

Paraphrasing: “I’m waiting to see if we’re the first domino in a chain, a dead branch falling from a healthy tree, or a teenager stepping alone into the Unknown to escape an abusive family.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/27/2016 at 07:55

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I have a sneaking suspicion you will be voting one more time (at least!) in the next two years.